Tuesday, June 27, 2006

I finally tried the 600NL on Party. It seemed very similar to the 400NL, just a little bit more aggressive. People were still making pretty big mistakes.

Well, okay, maybe "a little bit more aggressive" isn't quite accurate. It was considerably more aggressive. People were much more willing to fire multiple barrels. Let's say someone raises preflop, you call in the BB and check-call the flop and check the turn. At 400NL, the vast majority of the time your opponent is checking behind if he's missed, and only betting if he has made a hand, so you know where you're at pretty much always. At 600NL, the guy is betting again, no matter what. This is good if you're trying to get more money into the pot with a strong hand, but bad if you don't have much of a hand yourself, which is the reality most of the time. So you either have to be willing to give up a lot of hands on the flop (since you know you'll be bet off on the turn anyways) or wait until the turn and be willing to attempt a lot lead bluffs or C/R bluffs (since there seems to be a rule out there many players follow: never fold to a flop C/R).

This aggression does make the games a little more gut-wrenching to play at times, but it also results in guys putting a lot of money into pots with really bad hands. It does shift the skill set somewhat, from rewarding tight, mechanical play that relys on opponents blindly calling large bets, to rewarding hand-reading and the ability to make big calls with mediocre, but good, hands.

Here's a few examples of guys willing to put a lot of money into pots,

Hand #1:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed)

SB ($1521)
BB ($448.33)
UTG ($779.71)
MP ($1199.65)
CO ($624.75)
Hero ($522.91)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qc, Qs.

2 folds, CO raises to $21, Hero raises to $65, 1 fold, BB calls $59, CO calls $44.

Flop: ($198) 6s, Td, 2c (3 players)

BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $125, BB calls $125, CO calls $125.

Turn: ($573) Kc (3 players)

BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

River: ($573) 4h (3 players)

BB checks, CO bets $434.75 (All-In), Hero calls $332.91 (All-In), BB folds.

Final Pot: $1340.66

Results below:
CO has 6h 7h (one pair, sixes).
Hero has Qc Qs (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $1238.82. CO wins $101.84.

Hand #2:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (5 handed)

Hero ($538.25)
BB ($240.95)
UTG ($287.88)
MP ($696)
Button ($194.38)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qd, Qc. Hero posts a blind of $3.

3 folds, Hero raises to $14, BB raises to $42, Hero raises to $257, BB calls $192.95 (All-In).

Flop: ($500.95) 3h, 5d, Jd (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($500.95) 5s (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($500.95) As (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $500.95

Results below:
Hero has Qd Qc (two pair, queens and fives).
BB has 6h Tc (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $500.95.

Hand #3:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB Hero (5 handed)

Hero ($1217.85)
UTG ($376.37)
MP ($602.10)
Button ($291.85)
SB ($1221.17)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qc, Qh. SB posts a blind of $3.

2 folds, Button calls $6, SB (poster) raises to $19, Hero raises to $60, Button raises to $285.85 (All-In), SB folds, Hero calls $225.85.

Flop: ($605.70) 9c, 7s, 2s (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($605.70) 2h (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($605.70) Kd (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $605.70

Results below:
Hero has Qc Qh (two pair, queens and twos).
Button has Kh Qd (two pair, kings and twos).
Outcome: Button wins $605.70.

Hand #4:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed)

CO ($619.46)
Hero ($695.19)
SB ($883.21)
BB ($204.79)
UTG ($968.40)
MP ($1179.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ac, 5c. SB posts a blind of $3.

3 folds, Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($39) Jc, 5h, 3h (2 players)

BB checks, Hero bets $25, BB calls $25.

Turn: ($89) Jd (2 players)

BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($89) 6s (2 players)

BB bets $161.79 (All-In), Hero calls $161.79.

Final Pot: $412.58

Results below:
BB has 2h 2c (two pair, jacks and twos).
Hero has Ac 5c (two pair, jacks and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $412.58.


Blogger estonb said...

NL is awesome.

12:25 AM  
Blogger estonb said...

Hey E, you up for some live NL when the Austin crew hits up Vegas for the WSOP?

What rooms spread 5-10 and up? Any good games aside from Wynn & Bellagio?

1:00 AM  
Blogger eric said...

Yeah gimme a call/email when people get into town.

As for 5/10, certainly Bellagio and Wynn. I'm not aware of any other rooms that spread NL that big regularly. I know MGM had an occasional 5/10 game at one point.

Of course, with the WSOP in town, I imagine there will be big games going at the Rio, and perhaps Caesar's, as they've had occasional big games, as well.

I'd say the biggest concern is, between the Rio, Bellagio and Wynn, which room will have the best games of 5/10 and up? Normally I'd say it's the Bellagio, but it might be the Rio temporarily.

3:05 AM  
Blogger estonb said...

Rio dealers sucked donkey balls last time I was there, since they had to hire bus stop hobos to deal all the tables they brought in... hopefully it will be better, but probably not since the tourney is so much bigger this year.

3:09 AM  
Blogger eric said...

According to friends who've already played there, we'd be lucky if we get a bus stop hobo.

4:58 AM  
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Anonymous stonemender said...

Apparently you have some sort of pocket queens magnet?

That aside,
the last hand with A5, how can you make that call? You must have had a good read on the person in that seat. a 6X open then 2 checks.. Any pair over 5's beats you along with 2 jacks and 3 sixes.

With 89(?) bucks in the pot, calling a bet of 161.79 does not give you great pot odds. Was the BB 'not the most solid' player?

But I guess that is why I'm not a great player.

12:19 PM  
Blogger eric said...

Yeah, most of my interesting hands from last weekend were with QQ, I have no clue why. I didn't get them any more often than I usually do (I played over 6K hands last weekend, so I got them 25-30 times or so), it just happened that a lot of them became interesting hands.

I called the bet because it just seemed very out of place. A preflop raise, continuation bet, then check-check indicates to opponents that I probably totally missed. If he had a J, he'd make a smaller value-bet hoping to get a call. If he had a pair between 5 and J, he'd have to figure he was good and so make either a value-bet or at least a small blocking bet hoping not to get pushed off his hand.

But going all-in just seemed very strange, and I felt he was most likely just pushing me off my hand with air. I didn't have much in the way of pot odds, but I was getting 1.5:1, so as long as I'm good over 40% of the time there it's a good call. And I felt I'd be good 70+% of the time, so it was actually a rather easy call.

3:38 PM  
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Those guys were probably 2+2ers :-)

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